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Just an idea by jotazombie Just an idea by jotazombie
just an idea to be able to use special characters (such as ö, á, è, ñ and many others and punctuation symbols like !) in deviation's titles so we can write our work's titles in other languages.

Like you can see there's a box for the "original title" that allow the use of special characters and other box for the "deviation's title" that will be used in the url bar and for that don't allow special characters.

In the deviation's view that you can see in below, I put the "Original title" bigger (like the titles that we have now) and above the "deviation's title" but this could be handled in some other way.

Also as you can see the title is above the image, I think is better that way cause the title is like the beginning of the piece, like an introduction to it. But this don't bother me too much and I know that should need a little change in the layout.

Don't take this as a main idea, the intention with this is open the door to better ideas.

And like a extra suggestion, Do you see the "more from jotazombie" in the right column? there you can see some (3 or 4) thumbnails featured. What is the problem? that we have already dicided which work we can have in the Featured part in our gallery, and which work belong to certain folder that we created. But this thing shows pieces from any folder in your gallery so in some case you'll have an odd mixture of work. What I think will be better is shows only works from the same folder that the deviation that you're seeing. so if you have some folder for an specific audience it will show only the works for that audience.

Finally I'm going to clarify a couple of things that I'm afraid that some could think or say:
No, I'm not against dA
No, I'm not against English
Yes, I know that coding is not easy
Yes, I think that titles are important

The title that I used in the image is a funny example of the problems of use "n" instead "ñ". with "n" it would be "un ano en la oscuridad" translated "one anus in the darkness" :D
a funny thing about this: if you go to google translator and write "ano" (translating from Spanish to English) the first result is "year" and not "anus" like it should be. :D

I invite you to visit :iconallcultures: and join if you care about this issue.

PS: a more "simple" solution can be don't use the deviation's title in the url bar and instead that use a numeric value, just like they are using now next to the deviation's title (in the url bar).

Edit: :iconand-amore: thanks a lot for suggested this as DD :hug: and thanks :iconwdwparksgal: for the featured :handshake:
Also thanks all for the positive comments and favs, I really wish could do more for this issue, make it real. I hope dA consider this to think about some kind of solution.
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Daily Deviation

Given 2011-02-11
Just an idea by *jotazombie The suggester states, "I think this is a great idea to solve the problem of using special characters in titles, something necessary for using our own languages and punctuation marks. Because titles are important and part of the artwork." Be sure to read the artist description, as it covers an issue with Spanish that I had to emphasize to my parents when they were readying to travel to Cancun many years ago. Pronunciation and other markings can be everything in languages other than English! ( Suggested by and-amore and Featured by WDWParksGal )
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CindyAA Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
yes, please, in portuguese, sometimes is very hard to write something without the : " `´~^" as "à" or "á" or the character " ç"

I love the Idea
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TehMalware Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012
Cool Idea! I hope they put it on Deviantart!
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012  Professional Artist
well as you can see, this was submitted February 7, 2011...
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:icontehmalware:
TehMalware Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012
Still...
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LuthienMuse Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Buenisimo! A veces tengo que cambiar el nombre que quería ponerle a una imagen por el simple hecho de que no quede mal escrito :/
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012  Professional Artist
Lastima que al parecer para la gente de dA el tema del facilitar el uso de otros lenguajes para los títulos de las obras nunca fue algo de importancia. Ellos mismo tienen escrito en sus preguntas frecuentes que como el sitio tiene base en USA es todo ingles, sin embargo luego sacan chapa de que tienen usuarios en todo el mundo. Pero bueno, es lo que hay...

Igualmente, gracias por el comentario :)
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:iconluthienmuse:
LuthienMuse Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
De nada, gracias a vos por hacer algo por el tema :)
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:iconktosydan:
Ktosydan Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
"anus", not "donkey"? o.O
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:iconjuliablanco:
juliablanco Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Qué buena idea. Ojalá la implementaran!
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Eyes-Unblinded Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Student General Artist
How do you get that Original Title option? I'd find that a lot easier...
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Professional Artist
sorry but you (or any one else) can't do that, this is just a suggestion to dA's staff. A simple idea to improve things for non-anglo speakers.
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Eyes-Unblinded Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Student General Artist
Damn, well its a good idea. Would help the site alot.
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011  Professional Artist
sorry :P...also I'm afraid that is and will be no more than that, just an idea. I think language issues are pretty down on the dA's priority list.
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Roliim-Vago Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2011
buenisima idea en verdad... realmente una de las mejores que he visto
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2011  Professional Artist
muchas gracias :)
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ShinjuMarkez Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
genialisima la idea! :clap: me encanta
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2011  Professional Artist
Gracias, aunque me temo que no va a pasar de ser una idea :(
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:iconallatwan:
Allatwan Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
OMG, this is the best idea ever!
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2011  Professional Artist
not that much I think :P but I really apreciate the support and thanks for faving :D
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:iconallatwan:
Allatwan Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome :)
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NaomiHansen Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Being a person that would love to use more German in her titles, I would love to see something like this happen.

Ich lerne ein bißchen mehr Deutsch jeden Tag, so ich möchte mehr Deutsch-Titel. :(
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2011  Professional Artist
well I think you should read my reply to the previous comment, I'm not too opitimist about it. I don't think dA cares about this too much :( however I appreciate your comment and support :)
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WinterDarkmoon Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
English, spanish, french, croatian, russian... arabic... all of the above and more! Even some English speakers may like to title their things in other languages. In fact, I kind of have done this, by using "nouveau" in a deviation title before, which isn't English. I'm sure that the cedilla ( ç ) isn't supported either.

Not to mention, the ability to translate could be part of the site too. I liked your deviation with the "idea" in it. Perhaps for people who don't speak English so well, the "original language" box could get translated, much like google translate, then placed into your second "deviation title" box. :) Yeah, it might cause errors, but deviants who are bilingual can report the errors, (such as ano versus año) and the translator can then be updated by moderators who can access the language dictionary. (Since we all know that translators aren't so bad at the translation.) In fact, the English box could be translated into a plethora of other languages by clicking a "translate this deviation's title" link somewhere in the deviation. I find it difficult sometimes to figure out posts in polish, etc. The ability to read and interact with people in a different language would be great. (Plus it helps you learn other languages, which in and of themselves are art! ;) )
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2011  Professional Artist
well like I said in the last comment to another person (in Spanish) I don't think dA will make something like this and even less the things that you say, don't get me wrong those are good ideas but that would mean more people working, people in the staf knowing other languages, coding and all that, and you know those improvements will not be translated into incommings, I think you could expect a better system to buy stuffs but not an improvement about languages. Saddly this will be just this, a simple idea. I really tried to be heard with this one, I wrote to Angelo (he never replied) and some people close to him but no one say anything about it, the better replies that I got was "good idea" but nothing else. Finally some of the staff's members asked to our group #AllCultures to stop making new and asking for be able to use other language, like saying we already know about that issue. Some poeple think that maybe they are thinking to fix it in the next version of the site but honestly I'm not so optimist.

Anyway, thanks for the comment and support :)
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WinterDarkmoon Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, I totally understand the ramifications of how much work would be behind it... and how hard it is to get these corporate types to listen to ideas for change. But you're welcome!
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Kailina5815 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2011  Student General Artist
Excelente idea! así si se acepta lo de todos los idiomas, si ves uno en un idioma que no comprendes, igual lo entenderías por que se sigue usando el inglés
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2011  Professional Artist
Gracias, honestamente no creo que lleven esto a la realidad, lamentablemente desde nuestra posición de simples usuarios (entre +14.000.000) no es mucho más lo que se pueda hacer que tratar de aportar alguna idea y esperar que la consideren.
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JimField Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2011
Awesome thoughts, hope we get to see this :)
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2011  Professional Artist
thanks, hope we get some fix for this issue.
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Vintair Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Very good idea too, now i can read the spanish description etc too
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2011  Professional Artist
thanks, would be a small step to make the site more global.
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jonathoncomfortreed Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Student Photographer
Great idea.
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Professional Artist
thanks :handshake:
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jonathoncomfortreed Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2011  Student Photographer
Of course. :heart:
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raincloudriot Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
This is a fabulous idea, good thinking! :clap:
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2011  Professional Artist
Thanks :)
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GisaPizzatto Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Featured: [link]
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2011  Professional Artist
thanks :)
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ANDROBETA Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011   General Artist
Well... they never listened when I said it... [link]
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011  Professional Artist
there're people asking for this change since 2007 but that's not reason to give up, your problem was that you suggested that in the suggestion forum :D sound contradictory I know but that's not the propper place to suggest that, there're a lot of threads closed about this issue cause is a common suggestion. However the difference between what you suggested and this deviation is that I tried to figured out some kind of solution that let people use their own language but also provide a translation in English for the large audience and also could be usefull for other things.
If you still care about this issue I invite you to join #AllCultures
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ANDROBETA Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011   General Artist
Well this is kind of almost exactly the solution I came up with there [link] but they were still "anti". I tried to make it more popular and reach the interested people so I left some comments on some of the old club accounts and I put the link in my signature and in my journal, but then they put the suggestion on the common suggestions list (as I anticipated) so I stopped bothering, as I knew it already reached the ones who could have made this change happen. Anyway, since my spare time is very limited now I'm not as active as I used to be on the site, only pass by to throw a quick look from time to time, so I don't really care about it anymore, but it would have been it their benefit to implement this.
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011  Professional Artist
hehe is pretty much the same, the difference is that is think both titles are needed cause what I said before, the original title will be for an specific target and the English for the large audience. However I also said that the second title (the one that allow the special characters) should be optional cause not allways will be needed. But still I've to say that the forum wasn't a good place to show your idea (I see that was closed pretty quick) Like I said, any thread talking about allow special characters in titles will be closed cause it is a "common suggestion" (that's on the forum's rules) so there's no point in post it there. Also I think that people pay more attention to something with some graphic than just text.
I'm sorry if it looks like I've stolen your idea. I swear that I didn't saw your threads, as you should know, the threads disappear very quickly and even more quick those that was closed.
however like I said if you wrote those threads in 2009 and nothing happen yet is not reason to give up, I think you (I'm not talking about you but i general) can't sugget a change and then sit to wait that something change, I keep working with this idea talking with some influent people to try to reach the staff.
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Bansdulf Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Thanks.
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Professional Artist
no hay de que...verdaderamente no lo hay, no es más que una simple idea, ojalá pudiera hacerlo real.
Gracias por el comentario y el fav, eres bienvenido a unirte a #AllCultures si quieres sumarte a la causa :)
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Bansdulf Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Gracias.
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011  Professional Artist
:thumbsup:
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spirit-of-the-fire Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011
I think this is a fantastic idea, and I hope it gets implemented :) I could also see this being a good solution to titles that go over the character limit.
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jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Professional Artist
yes, this could have other use too, thanks :)
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AdharaC Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
la idea está muy buena, ojalá se tomara en cuenta :)
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:iconjotazombie:
jotazombie Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011  Professional Artist
Gracias, ojalá se haga algo ahora que estan trabajando en la 8va version de dA.
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